we have been talking about lance armstrong, manti te'o. it gets to us thinking when we have these sort of heros we hold in high regard. is there some sort of broader cultural question that needs to be addressed? we hold these heros in high regard. we're surprised when they fall from grace. does it say something about our culture that we hold these individuals in such high regard and maybe don't expect these things to happen? >> i think a lot of americans and a lot of people it's intuitive that we vicariously live our own dreams through people that who do things that we know deep down can never do. whether it's score 100 points in a basketball game or whether it's hit 10 home runs during a game. sometimes we equate heroism with something that is an athletic skill or even entertainment skill. real heroism is when you sacrifice yourself for the better of someone else. not when you simply do something that makes you rich and famous. >> clayton: when we hear from veterans who come back and they never talk about themselves. >> they are heros. th